IceHeartedLion
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Post by IceHeartedLion on Jan 31, 2007 4:32:42 GMT -5
Ok... This is how it all started.
[OOC] You say, "Sure... I have one thing in mind... But I don't think the wizzes will allow it. What if we change the whole TLK (movie) story. What if Mwenyezi really takes over the Pridelands... The names and characters will still be the same and all that bullshit... But what if? XD I already know their answer to that." [OOC] Bughudhi says, "What if Mweny takes over the pridelands, and Musfasa and Taka are exiled, but when they grow up they take them back? Sarabi, who was living in the new Mweny Priderock, turncoats to help Mufasa, and zira does or doesn't (don't matter really, since she comes back to mweny eventually) and that is what makes Mufasa great? Cuz they always said that Mufasa was a great king, but what made it so? he took back Priderock against overwhealming odds!"
That's the whole thing... Or at east the main thing. The other parts were just OOC chatter, but I can put the whole thing if someone wants it.
The idea is to make this happen, we want to hear everyone's opinion. If you guys don't know about it, the main thing is the following.
Bug hired the Blood Brothers to kill Kutamani. As payment, the Mwenyezi King will give them half the lands of the Pridelands. Mwenyezi and the Blood Brothers will join forces to take over the Pridelands. But we know that story can't be changed, Simba must be King of the Pridelands ad blah blah blah... But as posted above, Mufasa will take over the Pridelands again before Simba is born.
So that's about it. We hope to hear from all you guys interested... This DOESN'T mean that the Pridelanders of the Mwenyezians will be killed... Take that in mind, it's war, yes... But we can do this without real alts being killed, only NPCs. So don't worry about that.
Ice & someone else... (Adhama was it) *shurg* XD
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Adhama
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It?s not in my nature to be mysterious. I just can?t talk about it and I can?t talk about why.
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Post by Adhama on Jan 31, 2007 4:39:28 GMT -5
As Ice forgot to stress, this just an IDEA. Nothing concrete. nothing planned. For all we know this won't happen at all. We are just intrested in how much intrest this idea would get.
IF it were to happen, IF, maybe the displaced Pridelanders could take refuge in Pals, and maybePals could help the Pridelanders take back their homeland.
As I said before, don't panic, this is an IDEA, the last thing we want is Pridelanders running in terror and Mwenys invadeing right now. XD
We really want feedback on this one!
EDIT We could get every single group in on this plot, with the hyenas allying with Mweny and the Blood brothers, against the wolf pack,Pals, and the Pridelanders. The dog pack, the Meerkats, and the Kiruuke would be wild cards, maybe. I'm not sure. But it would instigate muck-wide group interactions. FEEDBACK NEEDED!
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Post by Bahati on Jan 31, 2007 5:08:43 GMT -5
Simba won't necessarily be king. Mufasa might not be, either. We're... not really following the movie at this point. What happens, happens.
That said, Mwenyezi would be up against both the Pridelands and Palandasya, so I'm not sure they'd be able to take Pride Rock in the first place. Not by force, anyway.
I don't see the wild dogs or the meerkats getting involved. They have no reason to. The dogs might stand a chance, but the 'kats would get slaughtered.
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Post by Asrohc on Jan 31, 2007 9:24:31 GMT -5
Under most circumstances, I'd be interested in almost any plot. But... we already have the harem TP and the betrothal plot going on, plus whatever's going on with Mwen's internal politicking. As opposed to external plotting like this. Shouldn't we focus on developing those and seeing them through, rather than introducing another plotline that would practically nullify the first two before they've gotten anywhere near attaining their potential?
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Post by Kiniro on Jan 31, 2007 11:23:35 GMT -5
I agree with Asrohc completely on this one. You've got some great ideas, but I think you're trying to do too much too quickly. A lot of what's going on in Mwenyezi is confusing OOCly as well as ICly, and I'd like to see things stabilize there before we start thinking about something so dramatic. That's not to say this sort of thing can never ever happen, just... not right now. o_oU
I think you need to slow down, take a couple breaths, and focus on what's already happening.
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Ajazi
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Post by Ajazi on Jan 31, 2007 14:48:09 GMT -5
Thirded. e.e
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Runako
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Post by Runako on Jan 31, 2007 15:09:38 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree.
Sure I like the whole, what if, idea but as many have said, it likely never to happen. But does that mean they can't try? Trying will have to happen in the future of course, Mwenyezi has to regain control of things and allow others to figure out what's actually gone on or what did go on. They also have to get rid of the 'Blood Brother' who seemingly try to ruin everything with their greed. After all this, perhaps then, if things haven't changed to dramaticly, this word 'try' can my applied to a Prideland Takeover RP.
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Adhama
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Post by Adhama on Jan 31, 2007 15:53:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, of course. We we not proposeing this as a TP for right now. I agree, we have enough going on as it is.This would pro'lly take plave, IF it ever takes place, a while down the road, after a period of Mweny's "peace" with the Pridelands has taken affect, enough so as to have the Pridelanders completely believe that the war with Mweny is over. We just thought of it and wanted to get it up here for other people to see before we forgot it.
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Post by sumu on Jan 31, 2007 15:55:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah, of course. We we not proposeing this as a TP for right now. I agree, we have enough going on as it is.This would pro'lly take plave, IF it ever takes place, a while down the road, after a period of Mweny's "peace" with the Pridelands has taken affect, enough so as to have the Pridelanders completely believe that the war with Mweny is over. We just thought of it and wanted to get it up here for other people to see before we forgot it. Later sounds good to me. =3
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Post by Chukiface on Jan 31, 2007 15:57:44 GMT -5
Um... so yeah. Why would the Mwen take over the Pridelands? Weren't they just about to offer cub(s) to them? And what about Uru? I totally do not understand the motivation. And I would like to echo the other wizards in their "hold the phone not right now" sentiments. Rah.
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Post by sumu on Jan 31, 2007 16:00:17 GMT -5
Um... so yeah. Why would the Mwen take over the Pridelands? Weren't they just about to offer cub(s) to them? And what about Uru? Because they're powerhungry? That's always been reason enough for Queen Zira...o.o The cubs were intended as an /apparent/ peace offering, to get the Pridelanders off their guard. At least, that's what I remember being the original reason behind sending the cubs over. Uru would probably not get the brunt of 'enslavement' or whatever because she's from Mwenyezi originally. XD
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Adhama
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Post by Adhama on Jan 31, 2007 16:08:40 GMT -5
Um... so yeah. Why would the Mwen take over the Pridelands? Weren't they just about to offer cub(s) to them? And what about Uru? I totally do not understand the motivation. And I would like to echo the other wizards in their "hold the phone not right now" sentiments. Rah. Well, Mweny has always been envious of the Pridelands, Bug in particular has made it his obbession. The cub offering was a ploy to make them believe there was 'peace' but that is a trick, Instead, the cubs will be watching tohe movements, habits, etc of the lionesses of Priderock, and secretly reporting back to Mweny. So that's basically thier motavation: Mweny lands suck. (they have no prey, it's desolate, etc) and right across the ravine is the Pridelands paradise. As I said before, this would have to take place later, pro'lly when Mufasa nd Taka are mid-adolescents or something. IF this were to go down, I would recommend it happening...I dunno...April or so?
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Post by Chukiface on Jan 31, 2007 16:12:35 GMT -5
Um... so yeah. Why would the Mwen take over the Pridelands? Weren't they just about to offer cub(s) to them? And what about Uru? Because they're powerhungry? That's always been reason enough for Queen Zira...o.o The cubs were intended as an /apparent/ peace offering, to get the Pridelanders off their guard. At least, that's what I remember being the original reason behind sending the cubs over. Uru would probably not get the brunt of 'enslavement' or whatever because she's from Mwenyezi originally. XD That would make sense if they could easily beat the Pridelanders, but if you look at the member lists, Mwen only has one more member than the Pridelands. Now, as for those who would be useful in battle... I count 10 in Mwen (not including the shaman, storyteller, nurse maid, cubs, or scout) and 10 in Pridelands (again, not including those who couldn't/wouldn't fight). So still, it is a dead even match up. So, logically, a power-hungry pride would be all about taking over a smaller one...but one they are equally matched with? I am having problems processing that one. Now, the Pridelanders are allies with the Palandasya, which has 23 members, 11 of which could be considered battle-ready. So the Mwen are outnumbered. Given, they don't KNOW this ICly, I assume, so they ambition could be legitimate. If you guys want to do this (after the other plots wrap up), I am all for it as a sort of segue into the Mwen becoming the Outlands and being very small/underfed/yadda yadda yadda. I know that we aren't following the movie to a T, but this gives Zira and the other to-be Outlanders a chance to build up some sort of grudge. That is the way I understand it at least.
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Adhama
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Post by Adhama on Jan 31, 2007 16:27:11 GMT -5
Wouldn't it the Outlanders have more of a grudge if they took Priderock and then had it taken back? True, the numbers are even on a one to one match up, but Bug knows that fighting the better fed lionesses of Priderock one to one is suicide. And he has the Blood Brothers. The whole point of the 'Extension of Friendship' TP was to put the Pridelanders in a false sense of security. With the false security and the knowledge of the Pridelander lionesses's habit (supplied by the same two cubs that supplies the false security, Zira/ Sarabi) Bug could hope to Isolate a few lionesses at a time, making the attacks look accidental.
Even if the Pridelands and Pals are allies (though I don't remember seeing any log that should they had political ties to one another, can you point it out to me if I'm mistaken?) The false security and 'accidental' missing lionesses could tip the odds to Mweny's favor and not alert Ahadi enough to try to fight Mweny with Pals's help, heck, maybe Mweny could, on the surface, ally with the Pridelanders to 'halp rid' the pridelands of whoever is killing off their lionesses. I dunno.
I'm just saying that it would be possible. Overly complicated, much like every other plan Bug thinks up, but Possible.
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Post by Kiniro on Jan 31, 2007 16:30:21 GMT -5
But here's the problem. Ahadi doesn't trust the Mwen lions as far as he'd trust a hungry crocodile with babysitting a blind and deaf zebra calf. They haven't yet offered to send the cubs over and haven't had their meeting, so we don't even know if the peace talks will do anything more than make Ahadi even -more- wary of them.
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