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Post by Nyigakali on Mar 12, 2007 5:42:48 GMT -5
Congratulations, Nyigakali! You have succeeded in threadjacking for purposes of perpetuating your emo. Ummm, excuse me? Sorry for not allowing you a one-sided assault on me, but making things up about me and trying to rewrite history don't sit well with me. Sorry, but if that makes me an "emo" or an irritating jerk, then so be it. If you can't handle fact, don't bother arguing. Its called trying to reason things out and discuss them ... try it sometime.
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Post by Bahati on Mar 12, 2007 5:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by Rynoah on Mar 12, 2007 5:47:33 GMT -5
Ehm? Please to point out where in the original topic that people made things up about you or rewrote history.
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Post by Ajazi on Mar 12, 2007 5:51:49 GMT -5
Sorry for not allowing you a one-sided assault on me, but making things up about me and trying to rewrite history don't sit well with me. Sorry, but if that makes me an "emo" or an irritating jerk, then so be it. If you can't handle fact, don't bother arguing. Its called trying to reason things out and discuss them ... try it sometime. You mean the part where I never mentioned you in my post, which was entirely directed towards Gituku? The only thing that even remotely has anything to do with you was: How, exactly, is this a one-sided assault?
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Post by Bahati on Mar 12, 2007 6:04:09 GMT -5
If you can't handle fact, don't bother arguing. Its called trying to reason things out and discuss them ... try it sometime.
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Post by Chukiface on Mar 12, 2007 9:06:49 GMT -5
*pulls the thread back on topic after reading about half of it* Um... yeeeeaaah. I haven't been on any MU*s or even IM recently (see my post in OOC chat). But signing onto the forum during my plan period at work and seeing all this.... definately not good for my stress level. I do not take kindly to being accused and blamed for the downward spiral KaV is in. I resigned my wizbit, yes, but I have not left. I have been absent, but that was due to RL issues. And if someone wants to gripe at me for not getting on to sit OOC while waiting for RP that never comes (yes, even when I sign Rafiki on) at the same time I have dealt with A) my father disowning me and kicking me out of his house, B) having to clean up a room that has been used for storage for almost ten years and move in, C) my truck giving up the ghost, D) buying a new car, E) getting my suspended license (which was a shock in and of itself) renewed, then go for it. But know that doing so is not really the kindest of gestures. Also, I find it very, very funny that you posted this Wow. You're not kidding. The truck ordeal would be hell enough alone. Understood if you've got other things on your mind. But we'll look forward to your return. You add a lot to this place. and then proceeded to lambast me in your "State of the Muck" post - which wasn't so much a State of the Muck post as much as it was a finger-waggling, blame-pointing, flame-sparker. Also, making it so we could not reply was, in my opinion, very cowardly. Gituku, I filed a harassment complaint against you for what you said to me during the "confrontation." I confronted her on how that was wrong. That didn't get anywhere, because wrong though it was, she did it out of loyalty for a friend... instead of thinking about the muck itself. It would've been different if she or Ajazi would've asked and let someone else delete them. But let's face it, there's no point in asking if you're just going to do something, and for that matter, take others' work with you. If you like, I can post links to the screen shots I took as well as the log to show the playerbase exactly how you "confronted" me - it was in no way professional and I had every right to feel harrassed. In truth, I feel harassed now. How does what you posted help KaV in the least? Pointing the blame does not fix things. I also wonder if all of the remaining wizards agreed with you posting it, or looked at a draft before you put it up. Just because if they did not, I would be greatly humored, since you went into such a tizzy when Kiniro did something that WAS discussed and did it PRIVATELY. Also, the idea that the playerbase is entilted to know what goes on in the wizchat or on the staff forum is false. Those things are said/posted in confidence. If such things are posted without my expressed permission and reviewal before they are posted, I will be filing another harassment complaint in that it is a breech of privacy. Boy, does that sound familiar. Okay, now for my beloved AWDs, since I feel I must address it. Uchenna, the fact that you did not fight for the group really upset me. The fact that you made Uchenna a completely OOC character (he was never an FC) really upset me. Let's face it - the AWD group (forgive me for not wanting to take the time to figure out how it is spelled) was a revival of sorts of my group on ER, which did not start out with @groups status, but earned it. I worked very hard on that group, and to see you, as it's leader, not exert that same effort, really hurts. Chukizo, as a character, can't take it over - she is far too young, and with a wizstaff that (if Gituku's post reflects the opinions of the entire staff) is biased against me, I do not feel comfortable making a new, older AWD alt to take over the pack. Imagine nurturing a beautiful flower, then entrusting it to someone else only to watch them neglect it and let it die. It was not Ahadi's fault that the RP died. I got the pups out of the graveyard as soon as I could after deciding that the TP I tried to pull of in order to give the AWDs some political relations and lay the groundwork for future RP was not going to work. You can't blame us for not connecting when time zones don't line up. We have lives. Many of us are students. I have read enough of this thread and the "formal complaint" thread (which should have been a PM to the wizards, not a thread) to get a taste for how you treat some of my good friends. Blaming yourself is emo, and it won't fly with them or me. You were a coward, and pretty much committed suicide for an entire group. Sure, we can keep RPing when we sign on - but what is the point when we lost our leader? As for the claim that I have moved on to other MU*s, I will go where the RP goes, and I know you will to. I have seen you. Don't be so quick to imply that I have abandoned the KaV ship when you are clinging to the lifeboat too. I think I have said enough, and I need to figure out what I am going to do with this grammar lesson.
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Post by Nyigakali on Mar 12, 2007 9:39:55 GMT -5
Okay, now for my beloved AWDs, since I feel I must address it. Uchenna, the fact that you did not fight for the group really upset me. The fact that you made Uchenna a completely OOC character (he was never an FC) really upset me. Let's face it - the AWD group (forgive me for not wanting to take the time to figure out how it is spelled) was a revival of sorts of my group on ER, which did not start out with @groups status, but earned it. I worked very hard on that group, and to see you, as it's leader, not exert that same effort, really hurts. Chukizo, as a character, can't take it over - she is far too young, and with a wizstaff that (if Gituku's post reflects the opinions of the entire staff) is biased against me, I do not feel comfortable making a new, older AWD alt to take over the pack. Imagine nurturing a beautiful flower, then entrusting it to someone else only to watch them neglect it and let it die. It was not Ahadi's fault that the RP died. I got the pups out of the graveyard as soon as I could after deciding that the TP I tried to pull of in order to give the AWDs some political relations and lay the groundwork for future RP was not going to work. You can't blame us for not connecting when time zones don't line up. We have lives. Many of us are students. I have read enough of this thread and the "formal complaint" thread (which should have been a PM to the wizards, not a thread) to get a taste for how you treat some of my good friends. Blaming yourself is emo, and it won't fly with them or me. You were a coward, and pretty much committed suicide for an entire group. Sure, we can keep RPing when we sign on - but what is the point when we lost our leader? As for the claim that I have moved on to other MU*s, I will go where the RP goes, and I know you will to. I have seen you. Don't be so quick to imply that I have abandoned the KaV ship when you are clinging to the lifeboat too. I think I have said enough, and I need to figure out what I am going to do with this grammar lesson. What really could I do? What was there to fight for? I was the -only- non-pup to even log in. There was no one for Uchenna to RP with. I can't RP with myself, I couldn't RP with the Pride Rock hosts either. I couldn't even RP with you guys to keep the TP going. Wahamishi can't be a pack of Uchenna and a handful of pups. You've got it backward if you think the adult members of Wahamishi stopped logging on because I decided to put Uchenna on OOC hiatus ... Wahamishi is getting de-@grouped and I put Uchenna on OOC hiatus because -not a single member of the Wahamishi group aside from the pups even bothers to log on-. Do you know any of them? Can you get them to log on once in awhile and try to RP? If you can, it'll get going again. The only player I'm familiar with with alts outside of Wahamishi just didn't feel like logging on. All the others, I have zero contact with ... I don't know who their alts are, they just don't log on. I had a teensy RP about a month ago when Moosa joined, but she didn't log back on nor did Chakua. You're simultaneously saying I'm just "emoing" to blame myself for the group's demise and yet blaming me at the same time and saying your friends were right to make up b.s. about me and not take responsibility for any of it. That's contradictory to me. You pups were connecting, I have -zero- complaints about your efforts to RP. No one else in the group connected, period. It wasn't that they connected at different times, it was that they didn't connect, period. How can I RP with the pack if the pack doesn't log on at all? I would log on and stay logged on daily as long as I was awake and I have every member of the pack on my wf list ... and not one would connect for weeks. Apparantly Uru wasn't the only one who couldn't stand to RP with me. I am sorry if I mis-represented what you were doing and where you were going, I thought you were basically going to greener RP pastures. If it wasn't for you, I would have given up entirely on Wahamishi. I liked what little play I got with you as Tamu and liked reading your RP logs. If you can think of a way to get players interested and happy to log on and RP, I'm all ears ... I still have not a clue how to do that and that was a job I was supposed to do as the FC leader and have completely, utterly failed at.
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Post by Bahati on Mar 12, 2007 9:47:34 GMT -5
I still have not a clue how to do that and that was a job I was supposed to do as the FC leader and have completely, utterly failed at. Maybe that's a sign you never should have applied for Ahadi. Dead on about nobody wanting to RP with you, though. Must be part of the mass conspiracy where everyone makes up stuff so you look like a jerk. :)
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Post by Chukiface on Mar 12, 2007 11:53:33 GMT -5
The fact remains that you did not fight for us, Uchenna. As group leader, it was your job to foster that RP, to arrange dates using the forums etc. All in all, I was/am disappointing in you as a group leader.
As for your dealings with Bahati, because that is whom you have made the "formal complaint" (which still should have been a PM to the wizards and not a thread post), I have not said that what she has done was right. If I have, please quote me - something you have been unable to do for Ajazi, which weakens your position regarding this whole ordeal.
Also, please do not blame Uru's player for her decision. She could have stayed on and allowed the chemistry between two mated FCs to suffer. If anything, you should respect her decision and see it as the mature thing that it is. It is not a secret that it is easier to RP with someone you get along with OOC - especially if those characters are significant others/mates.
You need to build up some credibility. The easiest way to go about doing that right now is to have the chutzpah to admit your faults and apologize for them - if you do, those who have wronged you will be more apt to apologize for their own faults in this matter.
Trust me. Especially right now. I have had recent first hand experience regarding this sort of communication.
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Post by Adhama on Mar 12, 2007 12:12:15 GMT -5
Yet again...another thread that does nothing but blame people and cause problems...instead of yelling at each other, can we begin to think of how we can rebuild KaV back to how it used to be? perhaps the reason that it is in this downward spiral is because everyone is arguing about some action that was taken, instead of thinking about what our next move should be.
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Post by Nyigakali on Mar 12, 2007 12:24:10 GMT -5
The fact remains that you did not fight for us, Uchenna. As group leader, it was your job to foster that RP, to arrange dates using the forums etc. All in all, I was/am disappointing in you as a group leader. I put out messages a few times on the channel asking for folk to log on their Waha alts. And I'd be happy to turn over the reins to someone better suited to the task. Do you want my resignation as Uchenna? Several of the Waha FCs have already been idled off the MUCK or otherwise deleted. I'd be happy to take a non-FC role if that would be okay. I don't know what kind of impression you have of me from what RP we've had and chats and things. I am not egotistically attached to "OMGIFICANTBEALPHAIMGONNALEAVE" or any such. I try to create characters or apply for roles that need filling ... to my knowledge, you guys didn't even have an actual player for Uchenna on Wahamishi. Was it better when there wasn't a player for him? As for your dealings with Bahati, because that is whom you have made the "formal complaint" (which still should have been a PM to the wizards and not a thread post), I have not said that what she has done was right. If I have, please quote me - something you have been unable to do for Ajazi, which weakens your position regarding this whole ordeal. Pardon? Quote you? I wasn't accusing you of anything aside from sticking up for your friends who are very hostile toward me. Also, please do not blame Uru's player for her decision. She could have stayed on and allowed the chemistry between two mated FCs to suffer. If anything, you should respect her decision and see it as the mature thing that it is. It is not a secret that it is easier to RP with someone you get along with OOC - especially if those characters are significant others/mates. She could have /told/ me she would have had a problem with me and I would have withdrawn the app. She could have told Zazu or another wizard ... she said she told a "friend" but apparantly whomever she told didn't care or wanted to just see what would happen. The MUCK would be better off with her playing Uru than me playing Ahadi. My hope with Ahadi would have been to rely on her to help me transition into the character, since she should/would know the gist of the RPs, the characters, the dealings the Pride has had, much better than I was gleaning trying to read the RP logs. Her decision was hers, there's nothing I can do to change it. Her behavior since has put her probably equal in my eyes to how she continues to view me, and I'm altering my RP plans elseMU* to avoid crossing paths with her again. Sorry, but her behavior regarding her characters and toward me is not something I would ever be comfortable with and she and I are mutually better off steering clear of one another. You need to build up some credibility. The easiest way to go about doing that right now is to have the chutzpah to admit your faults and apologize for them - if you do, those who have wronged you will be more apt to apologize for their own faults in this matter. Trust me. Especially right now. I have had recent first hand experience regarding this sort of communication. I have made apologies where I misconstrued things which, unfortunately, I do. I wish I could promise it'd never happen again, but I'd be lying ... it'd be like me promising I wouldn't be clumsy or forgetful. People accusing me of saying things I didn't really irks me, as does not taking responsibility for things they do and say.
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Post by Chukiface on Mar 12, 2007 12:35:15 GMT -5
Uchenna is not an FC. He never was. He is/was a group leader. I am not asking you to resign. I am asking you to do your job. You can't expect players to flock to a group all the time - sometimes you have to plead and prod. I had troubles with it on ER.
Besides, Uchenna was not even YOUR character to begin with. He is Bahati's, and she allowed you to play him.
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Post by Nyigakali on Mar 12, 2007 12:43:35 GMT -5
I was made to believe he was an FC when I applied for him. The ad out for him on Meadows MUCK is what drew me to finally overcome my aversion to African-themed MU*s.
Hlelile, Shahidi, and Theluthi are all deleted on the MUCK. I heard Lulu might need to be recast again. I didn't seem to achieve my intention trying to point people to apply for Ahadi, so I don't think I'm really ideal to try and get people to apply for those characters, unless you have or know of an excellent training program that can make a neurologically-challenged person like myself into a good get-people-to-apply-for-a-character casting salesperson. I tried pleading and prodding, but my pleading and prodding not only didn't produce results in Wahamishi but, in my efforts with trying to get folk to app for Ahadi or get others to app for him seem to have made me a number of hate-me-forever enemies.
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Post by Gituku on Mar 15, 2007 18:44:16 GMT -5
Been on vacation, mind you.
To Ajazi: How is abandoning a MUCK for months on end to do your own thing while leaving the running of the place to about five people not selfish in its own right? I never saw you trying to fix anything.
I can't fix *then*, I can try to help with now. When I go through what's happened, that doesn't mean I'm attacking Kiniro about *anything*. It does mean I'm explaining what happened and why. Try to focus on now, Ajazi. Whining about the past accomplishes nothing if you're not going to use it to move forward. I also didn't set it up so that you just couldn't reply, fella, as you can always write what you think on the board (and obviously you did).
Rynoah: If it truly is that you left because you just didn't like it here anymore then I apologize. However, I was informed that you were leaving because Uchenna got the role of Ajazi... at the same time that I heard about Chisulo resigning and requesting that Kiruuke be deleted. It was a bit of a 'straw that broke the camel's back' if you will, but it still was the tipping point as I'd understood it... and if you never mentioned it as such, then absolutely, my apologies. If that had any substance, then you know what it was.
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The bottom line is still the same here. Are we going to work together or bitch? I brought all of what I brought up because instances of selfishness seemed to be getting bigger and more damaging, and we couldn't afford that. My open griping was very much a razor's edge and I knew it. I'd infuriate some and perhaps wake up others. It remains to be seen how many of one and how many of the other I've done.
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Post by Lurker on Mar 15, 2007 18:50:50 GMT -5
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