Save Palandasya

[Umande]

I've been talking with a few players in Palandasya and none of us wish to lose our lands and be added to another pride. Yes, the pride has some problems with lack of connections, I myself am guilty of it (RL really bites at times).

We won't mind being attacked and driven out, but we don't want to join the pridelander completely, as we want the lands to remain so the cubs can return to them and reclaim them one day.

If you feel the same way, post, post, post!!

[Adhama]

I agree. For some reason, I have a hard time accepting the idea that a char that I made specifically to not be a Pridelander ends up being a pridelander. No offense to the pridelanders, of course.
The whole return thing could be fun to RP later.

[Yaro]

Definitely. I can see plenty of RP opportunities with that. First and excuse to finally get Uzuri to Pride Rock. Though I don't plan to return her to Palandasya since her own move to PR has been planned already. She could flee with the other cubs. I plan to have her grow up and compete for her ultimate prize: Hunt Mistress.

Abidemi, despite being just at Pride Rock, could finally get a hanle on his prophetic abilities and foretell it's 'destruction' to those in the Pridelands Pride. It would allow me to delve into the idea of how he would give prophesy, and possibly open certain character's eyes to his potential. (Possibl even leading him to become Rafiki's protoge, mayhaps?) But if it is wanted to be a surprise, I'll cut this out.

One would consider what the 'global' effects of this disaster would be. Obviously Pride Rock will have some difficulties adjusting to the new weight of survivors of an attack, and it would also make the Pridelands a signifigant stronghold against places like Mwenyezi and Kiruuke should they become overly militant. On anothr view: Whoever massacres Palandasya will gain a substantial piece of land, if only temporarily.

I'm thinking maybe this could be something more than just a random invasion. To spice things up, maybe it could be the first battle of a bitter war? Say maybe after a few things happen after the Pride Rock/Mwenyezi peace talks is possibly a stepping stone invasion to give Mwenyezi or even the Mashaitani (Blood Brothers) a much better place to attack the Pridelands from.

It could stir up RP and consolidate a somewhat diminished playerbase.

[Bahati]

I think we have to accept that we just don't have the playerbase for three prides. If that changes, sure, bring Palandasya back. But right now it's more detrimental to the MUCK than it is beneficial.

We are spread way, way too thin.

This is ultimately a decision that Chioh and I, as the group leaders, have to make, and unless he changes his mind, it's probably going to happen. There are sacrifices that we all have to make to get K&V up and running again, and this just happens to be one of them.

[Rynoah]

What Bahati said. I have a Pandaland alt (two if you include Maafa), and I never RP him because there are more exciting things happening elsewhere that get my attention. I'm not terribly fond of killing him off, either, but it's got to be done.

Think of it this way: KaV is a tree that began well and grew many branches, but unfortunately it suffered a drought shortly after. Lots of the branches died because the main body wasn't getting enough water--AKA players--and so it wasn't able to support them all. So, for the benefit of the tree, the dead branches are getting trimmed. They might grow back, sure, but until then they need to be removed. That way, the water/players will be redirected to branches that have life but still need more to keep them healthy.

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[Chioh]

My vote still stands for the massacre of the pride, so the cubs have incentive to come back and take the pride back. Though the Blood Brothers won't be there as they are rogues and don't need any base camp or anything, they would have to leave Palandasya as it is and move on.

But, I do want the palandasya to stay the same, the names the same and everything. Even if the wolves do come in and take it over, I would like to stay with the same names. Less working for the wizzes, and it'd be easier to just come back when it's time.

Anyone disagree?

[Rynoah]

Also, lemme add that no one has to send their alts to Pride Rock. You can send your scattered Palandasya characters wherever you please. PR is just one possibility.

[Zazu]

After talking with some more Palandasya players tonight, I see this proposal as the best option. The Blood Brothers attack (or if everyone prefers, it can be locusts or some other natural scourge, although I prefer involving the Brothers), and then Palandasya flees to Pride Rock, unless individual players decide not to. The Lutogolo move in to some of the lands, and the rest remain emoty, unless some random cool thing happens. At Pride Rock, the pride doesn't fully assimilate, and tension builds. Then, if the MUCK's numbers rise again, they or their children can eventually return home.

I see a lot of really neat roleplay possibilities with this. Does anyone object to going this route?

[Bahati]

If this is the route we go, I'd like Hukumu to father one last litter before he dies. So if there are any lionesses who are willing, give me a shout.

[Kuchwa]

Something that people have neglected to mention, from the discussion about Palandasya last night, is that the proposed dissolution of the pride was to create a "neutral" territory to encourage non-leonine roleplay for those who don't want to have to have a lion character to find RP. It wasn't just to give the wolves a place to go (though I'm grateful for that), so much as provide an opportunity for other RP to flourish out from under the reign of big cats.
In regards to pride formation...provided the player base expand to the point that it can support another fully active pride, I'd think it would be more fun if it formed through RP...Characters branching off, leaving their old prides, joining up and finding new territory. But then I'm notorious for my realism. -.-

[Adhama]

maybe I don't understand...Palandasya and the Pridelands are being consolidated since neither pride has enough lions...yet the Palandasya land will go to promote non-lion RP...did I miss something?

[Chisulo]

I might take the time to add that Kiruuke is on the other end of the spectrum, should something happen to the pride and any want to come there. Sauti and Tunu are still there as well. XD The place itself is relatively unknown, however, so I assume many may take the safer route to the pridelands.

*tired*

[Kuchwa]

As they've said a few times, the Palandasya refugees don't HAVE to go to Pridelands, though it was suggested that the majority of them do go there.
Non-leonine RP is scarce and hard to come by, and I remember, as playing Kuchwa trying to find a place to settle down, everywhere she went she had to bow down and beg permission from the local feline rulership. It was rather frustrating. In our discussion last night, it was suggested that it would be nice to have some place that was neutral.

[Zazu]

Yes, it was. I would say that neutral territory is really only meaningful for lions, or at least the 'big cats'--other species can generally go and roleplay whether they want. However, if your experience as an Ethiopian wolf has been that the lions have demanded your subservience, that means you have a good point. I think smaller animals don't generally have any trouble finding places to RP, although they may have trouble finding partners for it. I think a little neutral area is in order, and I'll suggest that to Gituku and anyone else who gets involved in building. Generally, a group of, say, civets, should feel free to RP in the Pridelands, or wherever, as long as they don't use the rooms most often used by lions.

As for the Palandasya remaining open--I do like that. I mean, the land has nice descriptions, and I don't see what harm a little unused area in the southeast corner of the map will do. So, yes, it should do nicely for casual non-leonine RP. Kiruuke, to the west of this area, is also fairly good for that--the more mysterious and dark kind of RPs should happen there.

Adhama: it makes sense to me. We don't have enough interest in lions at present to sustain three prides plus a coalition...but there is a certain amount of interest in non-leonine RP, so...there you go. The sort of RP I think Kuchwa is talking about isn't the sort that falls apart if a few players go missing or fall out of the loop...you might call it low-maintenance.

[Gituku]

Neutral area is a great idea. If you look at the map, I think we could easily fit a few small areas in. I doubt there'd be much objection to neutral area since we're not taking away, merely adding. I'm going to transfer this over to the building thread, although I'll check back on this thread as well if anyone has any ideas.