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Post by Kiniro on Feb 19, 2007 22:04:23 GMT -5
After careful thought, I’ve decided to leave Kings and Vagabonds. On Thursday I had a bit of a spat with Timon and Gituku, but that’s by no means my main reason for quitting both as a wizard and as a player. It is what it took to make me realise that I no longer enjoy playing here. None of my alts seem worth signing on as anymore, and this game (and much of its playerbase) lately has done nothing but give me a headache.
As I go, let me say this. KaV is dying. It is dying because the wizards are too easy on the problem players. Timon doesn’t want us to take definitive action against players who are rude to the wizstaff, intimidate and offput newcomers, and drive away the players who DO treat everybody with respect. Our game has a terrible reputation. It’s known for having a wizstaff who let people get away with anything, who have no power to stop rules from being broken. People have been quietly drifting away from our game after being insulted, harassed, or generally made to feel OOCly uncomfortable- and they haven’t been reporting it as they go.
It is sad, miserable for me to see something that I had once dreamed would be the New And Improved Endless Round become little more than heap of three players’ alts, and then one or two good players in there. I tried, goodness knows I tried to fix this place, to help us bring it back together. But even that got nothing accomplished. The wizstaff is so wrapped up in red tape and hypocrisy, and there’s nobody to blame but ourselves for letting it happen. Don’t get me wrong. I love Chukizo, Chisulo, Ajazi, and Fujo. They’re all wonderful people, and it sickens me to know how much shit that they and I have had to deal with, disrespect being one of those. They have worked so damn hard to make this place a good MUCK, only to be undermined not only by the players but by Timon, who I’ve had a number of problems with as a headwizard, the biggest one being that he is harder on wizards than he is on problem players. No matter how much Ajazi or Chukizo or Chisulo wanted to see something solid done or tried to fix things, they were always unable to do it to their complete satisfaction, and I was always unable to act to my complete satisfaction, because of Timon’s pacifist, hypocritical policies.
Guys, I am tired, and I am jaded, and I don’t want to be on a place that only stresses me out. I’ve thought about this, and I’ve thought about it since last Thursday, but I’ve come to only one conclusion. Roleplay is something I do because I love it, because it’s fun, because it stimulates my creativity and provides an opportunity to improve my writing skills and meet cool people.
KaV doesn’t do that for me anymore. I hate dealing with shit all the time, and when I got it from my fellow wizards for doing my damndest to help, it was the last straw. You’ll have to find a new player for Ahadi, and you’ll have to find reasons to kill all my alts. I’m gone, guys, and I’m never coming back. I’m not sorry to say goodbye. The roleplay here is lousy, and the OOC drama is just as lousy, and I don’t have to deal with it anymore. I’m moving on to greener pastures. I need a break from TLK roleplays, and I need a break from all… this. It’s gotten bad. And it seems like everybody but KaV itself knows it.
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Post by Rynoah on Feb 19, 2007 22:29:30 GMT -5
We'll miss you, Kini. You were an excellent role-player and wizard, and I know KaV is going to be suffering a pretty big loss with your leaving.
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Post by Anonymous on Feb 19, 2007 22:52:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be completely honest here, which is why I'm posting anonymously - to prevent being prejudiced against because of my opinion. While the wizards may be too easy on the "problem players", I also think they're too dictatorial when it comes to getting what they want to happen, rather than listening to the majority.
For those of you who remember the great falling-out in May 2006 - most of the wizards here are the wizards who /supported/ Ed, whom most of you came to hate at the end of ER. By that reasoning, the majority of wizards here are of that same mindset as what no one liked as a headwizard on ER. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? Not to me, at least. I was opposed to simply carrying over wizbits in the beginning, and I still am.
It's not just the players that are responsible for a cruddy MUCK, IMHO. It's the people who run it as well.
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Post by Chisulo on Feb 19, 2007 23:02:37 GMT -5
We supported him because at that point, he made sense. And I was given my bit when that crap happened, so I was spawned from it. All of us were. We are far, far different from what he was. He did not make us, we made ourselves from the ashes of that downfall. We are NOT him.
We've tried hard, and harder, again and again. And you see where it gets us? We lose half the wizbase and maybe more because we /try/.
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Post by Chukiface on Feb 19, 2007 23:03:43 GMT -5
For those of you who remember the great falling-out in May 2006 - most of the wizards here are the wizards who /supported/ Ed, whom most of you came to hate at the end of ER. By that reasoning, the majority of wizards here are of that same mindset as what no one liked as a headwizard on ER. Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? Not to me, at least. I was opposed to simply carrying over wizbits in the beginning, and I still am. This poster is referring to Ajazi, Chisulo, Zazu, and myself. Ajazi was AGAINST Ed in the Monogamous Mufasa debate. And all of us, save Zazu as far as I can recall, were AGAINST Ed in the fall of 2006 for being a dictator. Also, without us, there is a good chance KaV would not exist today, seeing as Ajazi, Chisulo, and I were among those who spearheaded the idea of a "backup" ER, and I was banned from the MUCK for what I said in pages, once Ed checked the master log. Please get your facts straight.
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Post by Kiniro on Feb 19, 2007 23:03:54 GMT -5
At the end of ER we realised what a crazy drugface he was. That's WHY we originally founded KaV. The founders are none other than those very people who had their privacy violated by Ed's paranoia. Don't compare us to him, please. It's not fair- especially since you weren't there when it happened.
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Post by Nyigakali on Feb 19, 2007 23:43:38 GMT -5
I'm a new player, but wanted to say I have stayed away from TLK-ish MU*s ever since a certain abusive administrator on the first one I tried a few years back that left a bad taste in my mouth for TLK MU*s. The problem I see with KaV is how concentrated the RP is on a few groups, and the FC players who don't log on. I'm on the verge of giving up on Uchenna and Wahamishi ... the only reason a non-pup has even logged on besides Uchenna recently is for the secret meeting going on right now. :/ I guess I must be one of the problem players driving folk out that you talked about since no one logs on Wahamishi except the runaway pups.
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Post by Ajazi on Feb 19, 2007 23:56:08 GMT -5
The problem began a while ago, and it can be described in one sentence: I don't RP here any more.
Sure, I'm online. I take care of my wiz duties - those I can manage without stepping on toes - and talk and help people out when they need a wizard. But I don't RP here any more. I've tried retailoring and recreating old alts, I've tried creating new and interesting ones I would love to play with, but it isn't working. The massive barrage of emo hissyfighting that goes on sucks all the enjoyment I could possibly glean from playing here out of the activity.
I don't like the way things have turned out here. The complete lack of good, solid rules and some sort of code detailing what players can and can't do and how they should be punished is a huge issue, and it's one that has caused the entire ACTIVE wizstaff endless weeks of consternation. No, I am not kidding, and no, I am not exaggerating. And you know what? I've had enough of it.
My wizbit is no longer a thing I desire. It has become an object that I have grown to revile and dread, since I've more often than not found myself deadlocked and unable to do the job like a wiz should be able to. I'm not going to remain a builder for this MUCK either. My assistance with projects and room descriptions is no longer offered. The way Timon has set up the staff - both past and present - is not working. The staff can't take it, which is why we're dropping like flies. There is absolutely no reason for the wizzes, by definition, trusted and active players, to be treated with less respect than that the average player is afforded.
Here's some news for you: most of the MUCK treats the wizstaff like shit. The only reason you've kept us as long as you have is because KaV was our brainchild, our vision for a new and better place for people to enjoy themselves. I am resigning from the wizstaff. This does not mean I am resigning from KaV completely, though you'll certainly be seeing much less of me; like Kiniro, I no longer find this place to be fun.
A personal shout-out to Gituku, who popped out of nowhere JUST in time to blast Kiniro on the Staff forum - I may have said your apology was accepted for mistreating my friend so badly, but now I realize that I definitely lied to your face, which I am sorry for. To the players who have been absolutely awesome: I love you guys to death. Drop in on my AIM sometime - iDungeonCrawl. To the players who have been asstards and have made trouble for the wizstaff, by and large bringing about much of the simmering tempers: you guys suck.
I realize that I'm one of the less-liked/possibly-hated wizards of KaV because I tend to be abrasive and blunt with my opinions. I regard being honest as better than being a wishy-washy sissy, even if I come off as being nasty . I've been a MU*er for nearly a decade now, and I've been around the block enough to realize what works on an MU* and what does not. KaV's system WILL NOT WORK. It is WEAK, and it's going to collapse on itself if it doesn't change, which is clearly something that Timon is not willing to do.
There are many ways in which a MUCK can die, and this one is already dying in terms of its RP. The MUCK is dead in terms of its communication, since the active wizstaff is treated like crap and the inactive wizstaff just randomly pops up and reams the work the others have been attempting to do. That's not the way it works, kids.
Until Timon wakes up and smells the juma juice, things aren't going to get better. I understand that he wants to be nice to the players and I believe it to be a good thing, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be punished when they're in the wrong. You reap what you sow, guys, and most of you have sown anger and resentment into every last inch of the wizstaff. We're bitter. We're surly. You know it and we know it, and it's the fault of a select group. We don't want to take it any more.
Kiniro said it herself, but I'm going to restate: the RP here lately just plain old stinks. To those who blame the active wizstaff for the problems we've had? Lawl, you're morons. In regards to all the comments I have made, and to those who started this drama-fest? To Timon and Gituku, who've said on the staff forum that KaV isn't running as YOU envisioned?
Enjoy it. I'll be RPing when I can in a dark corner and offering my growly advice when I feel it's needed.
Oh, and P.S.: Those rules? The rules I spent twelve hours writing up after the utter shitfest a bit back, that were for the most part of my genesis and brainchildren? You definitely don't have my permission to use them. They're mine. No touchie, kthx.
P.P.S. Meerkats don't have any goddamn thumbs.
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Post by Chukiface on Feb 20, 2007 0:06:26 GMT -5
I have no idea why so many of you are “lost,” “appalled,” or “shocked.” You should have seen this coming, or perhaps you were just that blind to what was going on due to either you inactivity or refusal to take off your rose-colored glasses. To those of you who scrounged to try to save KaV, good luck to you.
I have sweated and cried and banged my head against too many desks to care anymore. That being said, I resign my wizbit. Without a headwiz and staff that will work together, my efforts to try to fix KaV are in vain. I don’t think I need to say much, because Ajazi and Kiniro have already echoed much of what I feel.
I am leaving because we have problem players who have not been reprimanded, but instead appeased. What happened to Bahati sickened me. So did what happened to Kiniro. Bahati was manipulated by the playerbase, which is just not cool. Even if she hadn’t been a wizard, it would not have been cool. Kiniro was lambasted for following the rules that she was given. Also not cool.
On a more personal note, the RP on KaV has declined… but I would even venture to say that it was never that great to begin with. Remember what it was like back in the early days of ER? I really thought we could have that here, but I was wrong. This is sub-par, and you guys should know that. Everyone else who knows about us does, and despite what the wizstaff has done to try to correct this image, we have been undermined by players who have driven others away with this substandard roleplay and general offensiveness and abrasiveness OOCly.
I should not, as a wizard or a player, be met with snark when I try to fix this problems. People forget that wizards are players too. I am not a bad person. Sometimes I have to be firm when I put on the wizard-hat, but there is a difference between being firm and being mean and spiteful.
Wait, I shouldn’t say it that way. That should be past tense. I am no longer a wizard. The only reason that I am not leaving altogether is that I love my characters too much to leave them, including Rafiki.
I will sit back and watch you guys try to fix this place, but don’t expect me to get too involved. I have done my part, and it has gone under if not unappreciated. If I have to watch KaV die, I will, but I won’t do it as a wizard.
Also, please do not approach me in game or on AIM about my resignation unless you are prepared for the bitter truth.
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Post by Ajazi on Feb 20, 2007 0:08:22 GMT -5
Also, please do not approach me in game or on AIM about my resignation unless you are prepared for the bitter truth. A belated 'ditto' to that. However, those who want to are welcome to shoot me a line.
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Post by Kesh on Feb 20, 2007 0:42:20 GMT -5
Anyone not leaving can approach me any time for RP.. I ain't goin till the fat lady's throat goes raw.
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Post by Nyigakali on Feb 20, 2007 2:51:50 GMT -5
I'll miss you, Chuki. :/ I heard you were going to stay on for RP ... I really hope so. I really can't offer up a good reason for Wahamishi to not be axed, but it was fun playing with the pups as Tamu at least. I almost thought about him hanging around as their savior, but couldn't figure out a way to do it without it being a tired twinkish-ism since he'd just be too powerful as a fighter.
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Post by Zazu on Feb 20, 2007 3:38:10 GMT -5
It looks like Kings and Vagabonds will survive. I held a big meeting just now, and we came to some decisions, and...well, it'll be rough, but we'll get by. Quite glad you're staying to be RPers, Chukizo and Ajazi. Kiniro...needless to say, you will be missed. :,>
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Post by Gituku on Feb 20, 2007 18:06:57 GMT -5
If expecting proof and evidence before wanting to jump on someone is being too soft, then I sure as heck want to be soft. I made the request clear and I had hoped that folks would work with me on it, rather than go ahead deciding what to do without bringing evidence to the table.
Please, and I say this to everyone, if you see a player, wizard, whoever, doing something that they should not be doing, please log it or screen-capture it, something, so that we can see what you're talking about. It's a good standard to use, and if somehow that is being too soft, as I've said, then I am too soft.
Or perhaps I just don't want anyone wrongfully railroaded.
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Post by Ajazi on Feb 20, 2007 18:18:02 GMT -5
Gituku: lawl. You r teh_funny.
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